Dark nets

Posted by wendyg in Uncategorized at March 27th, 2007

I saw a piece a year or two back - in Business Week, before it shopped all its European customers the hideous digital edition - about “dark nets”, smaller, private networks of people who know each other and swap copyrighted content illegally. Because they’re private, the activity can’t be monitored the way P2P networks can. And so on. It all sounded terribly sinister until I realized that it’s jsut the stuff we all do.

I was reminded of this in the remaining session from yesterday’s O’Reilly Radar, which talked about Web 2.0 and Wall Street. Peter Bloom said that the big guns now have their own private exchanges, and an order only makes it out onto the open market if it can’t be matched immediately - that is, it’s not good enough for them. There are now 31 alternative trading systems dark pools of liquidity, and “14 families” (he didn’t list them all, but he did mention Citicorp, Morgan Stanley, and JP Morgan Chase) represent 95% of capital trading, and the market is driven on the buy side by hedge funds.  Also, in order to conceal what they’re doing, people with large orders break them up into tiny chunks - the average order size has declined to under 400 shares.

This is all of course huge change from as recently as the 1970s, when transactions were expensive (22 cents a share then, .02 cents a share now) and the talent, he said, was on the sell side - investment research was published and accessible to anyone. Now, research information has become a proprietary asset on the buy side.

Web 2.0 enables some interesting ideas around all this. For example, betting on the trader instead of the trade for short-term trading (the anti-Buffett approach). (Playing the man instead of the ball.)  Bloom mentioned a guy in Toronto who set up a system in which you start with $100. If your investments consistently pay off, he increases your capital allocation. But the point is “behavioral finance”, in which if someone’s a good trader you copy their trades; you don’t bothe r researching the securities they trade. He didn’t say this, but of course this is the promise managed funds have made for years - that their experts can produce consistently good results (which in general is not true - automated index funds generally do better). Bloom speculated that this approach could be extended to health care (treatments, outcomes, diseases) and consumer electronics buying - anything where people can benefit from collective intelligence. (I will refrain from mentioning collective stupidity; the idea behind this is to Darwinishly weed out the bad ideas and stupid choices in favor of the good ones.) He also mentioned valueinvestorsclub.com where you have to come up with good ideas that can be shared and rated on the site. In our conference bags are “dollars” for a project of his - an attempt to make a sort of eBay for charity funding.

Government is like the space program: it can’t afford to experiment. It’s hard to see how government could use these kinds of collective curation. But what about organised benefit fraud? governmentbenefitsclub.com?

wg

3 Responses to “Dark nets”

  1. W Says:

    This sounds important. I dont think sharing MP3s is going to destroy the world but the idea of a hidden stock market of private financiers has implication I think we need to understand. Does this also relate to Tor, and criminal use thereof? I think it might be good to open up this question of dark nets - thx Wendy.

  2. wendyg Says:

    TOR is quite different.

    This is what O’Reilly memed as Web 2.0. Look for my ointerview with Marc Hedlund (CEO and founder of www.wesabe.com) on the Inq 4/4/07.
    wg

  3. wendyg Says:

    Today on CNBC I heard the statistic that the NYSE could be in trouble down the road because last week the percentage of trades going through it (as opposed to ECNs, alternative trading systems, and eg NASDAQ) has dropped below 50%. The pct went back up again, but the commentator was saying if it does that repeatedly…

    Another example of how the Internet - or computer networking generally - is shaking up how things work. Unfortunately, my strong impression is that this particular shake-up is more likely to enable traders to bamboozle the rest of us than it is to empower us. I remmeber at the height of the day-trading media frenzy (day-trading is far bigger now than then, but then is when the media covered it) hearing a broker say that people were willing to churn their own portfolios “far more often than we’d have ever dared to do”. Why rip people off when they will do it to themselves and hand you the proceeds willingly?

    wg

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